April 2023 cycle buddies

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Givingitatry
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Kim89! wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:39 am Givingitatry thanks for message yes I have done the early detection test and says not pregnant I guessed that was the case. This was my 3rd cycle and out last frozen embryo so have to start a fresh cycle again which I'm not really looking forward to but have to keep trying I'm 33 so still have alot of time will proberly start around August time at the earliest I think. I know I'm going to now be advised for having testing but as we are self funded and already paid put alot for multi package and the drugs will be alot for fresh cycle it's just so stressful. I had antibiotics and canesflor before I started the cycle this time as a precaution as clinic believed my mmc could have been due to infection so I don't think I will need era emma and Alice testing as they know implantation time is fine as I fell pregnant last time too and I have had antibiotics and probiotics this time. Maybe the imunity test I was thinking? My embryos were grading 2.1 and 2.2 so good grades. X
I’m so sorry, it’s never easy to know the outcome even when you suspect one way or another. Do you know when your review will be? I hope it’s soon and you can ask their advice on next steps. You’re right you have time on your side but understand the private funding side as we didn’t have any NHS rounds…it makes things much harder but it’s why we did tests after the first BFN with a double transfer. We rathered spend on tests then cycles to try to explain our unexplained infertility and in my case it was the NK cell test that highlighted a potential issue. Once we had the immune protocol we had success (chemical first time as had low progesterone then I’ve had 2 BFP consecutively). Having had 3 years trying naturally and never a BFP it shows the protocol is our true breakthrough.

9 times out of 10 it’s simply the embryo wasn’t chromosomally normal. I would say from my experience, the gradings are useful to know the order to try embryos but low grades can be normal and high grades abnormal in my case so never rule out a lower grade as sometimes that’s the one ❤️

Sending lots of strength as you process this cycle, I know I found all of my negatives tough but time helps gather perspective and when you’re ready I hope you’ll try again ❤️ x
C1: ICSI fresh (long): BFN
L1/2 tests: clotting, NK cells
C2: Immune FET (long): BFP chemical
C3: Immune FET (short): BFP ❤️👶🏻👶🏻
Safe arrival of 👶🏻🩷

Sibling
C4: Immune ICSI fresh (short) - freeze all OHSS
PGT-A: 3 ❄️
C5: Immune FET (short): BFP 👶🏻🩵
Kim89!
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Givingitatry thankyou so much my review is on the 14th June so not long at all. I will ask about the immune tests and nk cells aswel thankyou. This time I had probiotics and antibiotics as I precaution due to mmc the clinic belive could have been due to infection and were happy for me to have antibiotics and probiotics without era emma and Alice test as nhs were happy to give the antibiotics to me so I problerly won't go for them tests l. Also one of yhem tests is to do with timing of embryo going in which they know is fine as I did fall pregnant last time so really think I'm wanting to ask about nk cells test and blot clots immune x
LG2023
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Hey Kim89 - so sorry to hear about your BFN :( it's very disheartening when that happens.. Hopefully your review goes well and you can get a clear path on what to do next.

My OTD is Friday 2nd June but I don't have a good feeling - just feel very tired all the time which I think it's just the progesterone but apart from that have zero symptoms. I'll be massively surprised if it's anything but another BFN again. We lost one of our embryos during the thaw process as well :(( but still got a few left for another try. Just the thought of starting over again with the drugs and those effing pessaries sends a shiver down my spine!!
StarGirl
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I’ve just had my consultation and feeling a bit mehhh. Consultant has agreed some tests like vitamin D, thyroid function and antibodies (I think?) but when I queried other tests he said I didn’t really fit the criteria & he believes the issues more likely lie with the embryo and that eventually we’ll land on a good one. I really like our consultant but I can’t help but feel like we could be missing something?
Givingitatry
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StarGirl wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:37 am I’ve just had my consultation and feeling a bit mehhh. Consultant has agreed some tests like vitamin D, thyroid function and antibodies (I think?) but when I queried other tests he said I didn’t really fit the criteria & he believes the issues more likely lie with the embryo and that eventually we’ll land on a good one. I really like our consultant but I can’t help but feel like we could be missing something?
I always left feeling a bit meh so know what you mean. Did they say why they think the embryo specifically vs say immune? My consultant was the opposite and felt embryos ok and was my environment. She was right in that once I’ve had the immune protocol I’ve now had 2 pregnancies (well scan at 3pm). So clearly I do basically kill the embryos 😕 x
C1: ICSI fresh (long): BFN
L1/2 tests: clotting, NK cells
C2: Immune FET (long): BFP chemical
C3: Immune FET (short): BFP ❤️👶🏻👶🏻
Safe arrival of 👶🏻🩷

Sibling
C4: Immune ICSI fresh (short) - freeze all OHSS
PGT-A: 3 ❄️
C5: Immune FET (short): BFP 👶🏻🩵
StarGirl
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Hope your scan has gone well!

He said because I’d carried until 10 weeks he felt that if there issues with the environment etc I would have miscarried sooner than 10 weeks.

He said there’s loads of positives - we got 5 embryos and we made it to 10 weeks but it’s so so hard to take the positives when you’ve no idea what the outcome will be… the worry is just enormous and I’m finding it hard to keep a lid on it.

So… next step: tests. Then he said we’ll discuss the next steps.
LG2023
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Well OTD is here and as I suspected it's another BFN for me this cycle. Feeling deflated doesn't even begin to describe it...
Have an appointment with the consultant on Monday to discuss next steps..
Kim89!
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LG2023 I'm so sorry to hear this I also had a bfn on Monday so know how you feel hope your doing as well as you can and get some answers on Monday my review is on the 14th June. X
StarGirl
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LG2023 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:56 am Well OTD is here and as I suspected it's another BFN for me this cycle. Feeling deflated doesn't even begin to describe it...
Have an appointment with the consultant on Monday to discuss next steps..

Sorry to hear this. It’s so incredibly difficult every time. Glad you’ve got your review so soon. Have you got some more embryos to go with?
LG2023
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Kim89! wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:02 pm LG2023 I'm so sorry to hear this I also had a bfn on Monday so know how you feel hope your doing as well as you can and get some answers on Monday my review is on the 14th June. X
Kim89! wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:02 pm LG2023 I'm so sorry to hear this I also had a bfn on Monday so know how you feel hope your doing as well as you can and get some answers on Monday my review is on the 14th June. X
Thank you ladies, doesn't get any easier...
Yes I was happy they gave me an app for review so soon, I had to shuffle a few things with work but not going to miss it!!
We have 5 more embryos left which I know is extremely lucky but at this point I don't know if I believe any of them will end up to be an actual baby. We've used up our two top quality embryos and lost another one this time cause it didn't make the thaw process... Let's see what the consultant has to say this time. I think last time he said if it doesn't work he would want to do some tests - My personal theory at this point is that they're transferring the embryos too late and it's outside of my receptive window.
I think there's a test called ERA where they analise the lining of the womb and it tells them exactly when this window is so I am going to try and push for this one...
LG2023
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Just a little update: Had the review yesterday. He recommends us doing the trio test (ERA, EMMA/ALICE) so we're going to get this done in the next cycle and then depending on the results decide what to do next. Probably will need to wait until August/September to do another FET which is a bit annoying.
A little apprehensive about the tests cause they are expensive and I was reading about them yesterday and there's not much solid evidence backing them up - but the consultant was saying that CARE have done a lot of new research on these tests for implantation failure and the new evidence actually looks good.. I think when you're knee deep in IVF you've got to go all the way!
Givingitatry
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StarGirl wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:27 pm Hope your scan has gone well!

He said because I’d carried until 10 weeks he felt that if there issues with the environment etc I would have miscarried sooner than 10 weeks.

He said there’s loads of positives - we got 5 embryos and we made it to 10 weeks but it’s so so hard to take the positives when you’ve no idea what the outcome will be… the worry is just enormous and I’m finding it hard to keep a lid on it.

So… next step: tests. Then he said we’ll discuss the next steps.
That does all sound really positive but completely not so to feel how you are. This journey is so tough but you’re taking each day and finding the strength to keep trying and that’s all you can do right now.

Hope you’ve been doing ok and the consultation is soon if not been had already x

Ps scan went well, thanks for asking - all on track and currently 9w
C1: ICSI fresh (long): BFN
L1/2 tests: clotting, NK cells
C2: Immune FET (long): BFP chemical
C3: Immune FET (short): BFP ❤️👶🏻👶🏻
Safe arrival of 👶🏻🩷

Sibling
C4: Immune ICSI fresh (short) - freeze all OHSS
PGT-A: 3 ❄️
C5: Immune FET (short): BFP 👶🏻🩵
Kim89!
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Hi ladies just a check in to see how you all are?
Sorry I haven't been on here lately just needed some time out after bfn.

Stargirl hope your ok when do you start your tests? X

I'm having my face to face consultation on Wednesday so going to speak about tests then and my nhs Dr is happy to see what tests they maybe able to do for me in the surgery to help with costs. I was thinking of starting in August if I could but the thought of starting from scratch again in 2 month's is too much for me at the moment this cycle was our last embryo but we have paid for multi cycle luckily so we are now thinking of getting away for a 9 days in September somewhere hot and starting again when we come back. It's in my head but as last year we we t away and came back and started and then I got my bfp on that cycle it's just my way of thinking well maybe it's worth doing it like that again as I was more relaxed 🙈 so will see what the compliant suggests on Wednesday. X

Givingitatry how is everything going so glad to hear your scab went well and now 9 weeks great news x
Kim89!
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Kim89! wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:49 am Hi ladies just a check in to see how you all are?
Sorry I haven't been on here lately just needed some time out after bfn.

Stargirl hope your ok when do you start your tests? X

I'm having my face to face consultation on Wednesday so going to speak about tests then and my nhs Dr is happy to see what tests they maybe able to do for me in the surgery to help with costs. I was thinking of starting in August if I could but the thought of starting from scratch again in 2 month's is too much for me at the moment this cycle was our last embryo but we have paid for multi cycle luckily so we are now thinking of getting away for a 9 days in September somewhere hot and starting again when we come back. It's in my head but as last year we we t away and came back and started and then I got my bfp on that cycle it's just my way of thinking well maybe it's worth doing it like that again as I was more relaxed 🙈 so will see what the consultant suggests on Wednesday. X

Givingitatry how is everything going so glad to hear your scab went well and now 9 weeks great news x
Kim89!
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Hi ladies just an update i have had my review and looks like level 1 testing is the way for us to go. I'm going to try and get this at my gp if this comes up ok then looking at chromosome testing on me as they know my partners is fine but there not too concerned about abnormalities of embryo due to them being a good grading from last batch and also my age they wouldn't normally be concerned with embryo abnormalities. Just got to wait for our consultant to write up letter for me to show my drs and then fingers crossed they will do the blood clotting and imnunity test.x
Luckybabe37
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Hope don’t mind me jumping on I remember some of u from cycle before so I had transfer on 8th June my test date is 21st Wednesday I did a clear blue today it says 1 to 2 weeks dose anyone know if that is rite for wjat stage am at as am 4 weeks 2 days.


I lost last 2 pregnancy’s at 12 weeks so I am kinda flipping out and can’t relax
StarGirl
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Hey guys

I’ve got my review on Tuesday to discuss next steps. All my L1 tests have come back fine so I’m going to ask the consultant if I can do the course of antibiotics/probiotics prior to next transfer. Do you know how long the course is? I only ask because I’m hoping to start day1 of next cycle which I think will be in 2 weeks’ time.

Also, anyone got any experience of a natural FET?
Luckybabe37
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Anyone had scan at 6 weeks 2 days and not picked up heartbeat on screen even thou there is a flicker? She said it is faint but too small to see at min cos way it’s laid up towards the sack so could not separate them to get a better look.

I know can’t be good news, also sack is 3mm how far dose that make u??
Luckybabe37
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Av never known them to not be able to pick up sack gestation or heartbeat wen we see a flicker?
StarGirl
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Luckybabe - such such early days. I know someone who had a scan at 6 weeks - only a sac could be seen… no fetal pole or heartbeat. She’s just given birth…
Luckybabe37
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Yeah I get that it’s just way she was saying it and putting her hand on my shoulder u kinda get that vibe dont ya, saying faint flicker there but not picked up on machine just found that odd.


A whole long week to wait
Applecart
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Sorry it’s not an easy wait for you LuckyBabe. I hope the rest of the week goes quickly for you x
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Luckybabe37
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Got a scan for Friday as I need to know, good luck everyone with ur cycles
LG2023
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StarGirl wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:13 pm Luckybabe - such such early days. I know someone who had a scan at 6 weeks - only a sac could be seen… no fetal pole or heartbeat. She’s just given birth…
Just saw your message - I haven't got any experience but I am actually trying to push for a natural cycle next time round. It's been a bit of challenge - they just keep trying to put me off it, saying that if it falls on a Sunday basically it'll be cancelled cycle and we'd have to try again the following month. I was supposed to do an ERA/ALICA/EMMA test this cycle but whoever I asked and whatever I read was pointing to the fact that there's still no evidence for these actually helping conception and the idea of a biopsy freaked me out a little so I cancelled that and we're going to try a natural cycle in September.

One thing I found weird and trying to get my head around is that they will do the transfer 7 days after your ovulation - I don't understand why they don't do it 5 days after (seeing as we have day 5 blastocysts).. when are you going to try your natural cycle?
LG2023
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LG2023 wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:24 pm
StarGirl wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:13 pm Luckybabe - such such early days. I know someone who had a scan at 6 weeks - only a sac could be seen… no fetal pole or heartbeat. She’s just given birth…
Just saw your message - I haven't got any experience but I am actually trying to push for a natural cycle next time round. It's been a bit of challenge - they just keep trying to put me off it, saying that if it falls on a Sunday basically it'll be cancelled cycle and we'd have to try again the following month. I was supposed to do an ERA/ALICA/EMMA test this cycle but whoever I asked and whatever I read was pointing to the fact that there's still no evidence for these actually helping conception and the idea of a biopsy freaked me out a little so I cancelled that and we're going to try a natural cycle in September.

One thing I found weird and trying to get my head around is that they will do the transfer 7 days after your ovulation - I don't understand why they don't do it 5 days after (seeing as we have day 5 blastocysts).. when are you going to try your natural cycle?
sorry that was meant to be a reply to your post about natural cycle obviously!!!
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